Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death by ice cream

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. and userfy to User:Bonkers The Clown/Death by ice cream Black Kite (talk) 07:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Death by ice cream

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:GNG. I will note that the boy in the one documented case in the Guardian article didn’t really die of ice cream proper, but rather of the biscuit (he had gluten allergy), so if that death should be included in an article, it should rather be in an “Death by breads” article or Death by allergy. But also, the main point in the article is that the shop requested payment for the ice cream after the boy had died – it’s not really about the death in itself. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 13:11, 4 August 2013 (UTC) Note to closer: The page creator has requested that the article be userfied if the result is delete. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 13:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Not very courteous to nominate this minutes after creation, but anyway, keep as a legit topic bound to have more documented occurrences. No point in deleting... ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I apologize if it's against custom to nominate so soon after creation. But my thinking is pretty much that this topic is to particular to warrant its own article anyway. We can't have a lot of "death by ice cream", "death by cake", "death by pudding, "death by candy" etc. articles in my view. The scope for a possible article must be much broader, like for instance "Death by allergy". Regards,Iselilja (talk) 13:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Two examples are put together using WP:Original research. One is WP:Not news, the other might or might not deserve its own article under its own name. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete as news. Sad, but deaths because of allergy are hardly rare; this wouldn't qualify for the List of unusual deaths. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:32, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Not much more I can say. Ansh666 06:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
  • And after expansion, still delete as above and below. Serious offender of WP:OR/WP:SYNTH and in most cases misrepresenting poisoning or other causes of death. Bonkers, you've really gone bonkers this time...just kidding, of course! Ansh666 16:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hahahah I've been struggling to find a legit topic to write about these days. To be honest I just wanted this to be like a "sequel" to Death by coconut. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Trivia not deserving an article. Show me serious studies of death by ice cream or even reviews of the Miles Kington article. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
• Hold your horses I am adding more encyclopedic content. Prepare to change your minds. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 09:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I have expanded the article thoroughly. As you can see from the examples listed, this is not just a one-off thing. Death by ice cream has happened throughout the ages of ice cream. While not exactly conventional, it is worthy of the project. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 10:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Bonkers. I'm sticking with delete. The article is still original research created by putting unrelated items together. Also I don't see even one case where the ice cream itself was the cause of someone's death. Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm fairly confident that it did not "froze up his stomach" [sic] even if a "reliable source" reported that it did. :-) -Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

If there's such thing as a brain freeze, why not stomach freeze? :) ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Have you considered the case of the woman who died eating salmon and ice cream? The ice cream wasn't poisoned, the combination was. This time ice cream was the cause of death. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

That's an old wives' tale AKA urban myth. There is nothing wrong with the combination of fish and dairy. I eat them together all the time and have never had any problems from it. Almost certainly the poor woman died of food poisoning, which is caused by micro-organisms in the food (in this case as likely the fish as the ice cream) not the food itself. Kitfoxxe (talk) 16:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Most of these deaths are from poisoning or freezing (in a freezer). Ice cream was just the substance that was poisoned or happened to be present at the time of death. So, the ice cream wasn't the cause of death. Newjerseyliz (talk) 14:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Just looking at the sources, you see titles like "Dies from eating ice cream", clearly implying ice cream to be the main subject. Ice cream played an important role in all these deaths. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Apart from deletion, has anyone considered a merger to an appropriate page such as, say, ice cream? If all else fails, can you userfy this article for me? Possibly guidelines on Wikipedia will change in the near future... :) ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I guess userfying is best done by the closing administrator if the result is delete. I will add your request to the intro. As for merging, my thinking is that articles on death should in most cases focus on the underlying medical reason, like food allergy or poison, not particularities as whether the poision was in a ice cream, chocolate cake or pudding. And I think specific cases of food poisoning or poison are rarely relevant in such articles, unless they have drawn specific medical attention. (Some cases may also be notable as criminal cases or because the deceased is a notable person, but these cases will be more relevant for list articles). Honestly, the news reports you have included seems to me to fall into the WP:Notnews category. Newspapers regularly report of people who die by falling off a mountain, drowming during swimming, fire in their homes, traffic accidents etc. but these deaths are seldom relevant for Wikipedia, and I don't see why deaths that involves ice cream should be different. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 13:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

• Keep I was honestly expecting this to be nonsense, and instead it is a meaningful and surprising collection of sourced deaths. It is not WP:SYNTH because no conclusion is reached: it simply lists together related cases. Nor it is WP:OR, for the same reason: this is not a primary essay on ice-cream related deaths, it just summarizes what sources say. Other rationales like "it's trivia" or "we can't have deaths by X articles" are just WP:IDONTLIKEIT non-arguments. I think the delete !votes should look beyond the fact that the article title sounds funny or trivial, and reason by policy.-- cyclopia^speak! 12:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Teehee, I was honestly going to write nonsense too, but then I thought, "Naw, we Wikipedians must be serious folk." ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

• Redirect Sorry Bonkers. I think it's worth mentioning a few of the more notable cases in the history of ice cream or a condensed version in a paragraph at the bottom, but as a topic in its own right it's pretty trivial the content in the article and most of them are not even caused by consumption of the actual ice cream.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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